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Honesty and Hype
Thursday, April 26, 2007

As I've mentioned before, I receive a lot of spam in the comments box here at REAL Quixtar Blog, which I typically filter out. You're very welcome. But one marketing comment (below) caused me to pause for a moment because of the sheer volume of hyperbole it contained in promotion of something that apparently involves product (unspecified) but focuses on a business opportunity (hmmmmm.....) and promises you can have "everything you want."  This is not a message we've not heard before.

There was a link included (which I omitted) but I couldn't visit the site to find out more because Quixtar's corporate filters don't allow us to visit questionable sites, which apparently this was. But the posted comment itself helps make a point. To a sensible person it screams "run away!!" (even though I know they must generate some leads using this tactic). This post tells people that there's a money game being played here, and if you play the game right, you can get rich. Personally, I love games. I can be very competitive, whether it be dominoes or cards (ask my brother and sister-in-law), Scrabble or Scattegories (ask Nick or Anna), or Soccer (ask my doctor, who will operate on my torn ACL in less than two weeks).

When it comes to business, however, there needs to be substance and not just gamesmanship. This is people's money we're talking about. When you present opportunity (to me, anyway), you had better be ready with facts and not just hype. When Quixtar launched in 1999, there were similar emails floating around promoting our business opportunity. Fortunately, the Quixtar management team had the sense to quickly create a Zero Tolerance policy for online spam promoting this business.

How much of the tone and tenor of the message below ends up in the personal pitches made by some IBOs to business prospects? I suspect that, for the majority of IBOs, more sober presentations about the opportunity are made. I know that for some, however, the pitch below is not objectionable. With little emphasis on product, a focus on income isn't a balanced approach. When that focus shifts to BIG money, with no reference to the need for product sales, the equation becomes even less balanced. 

In presentations I made at Achievers and since, I've made a case for open, honest, and transparent communications about our business opportunity. Without that, IBOs and the company both lose credibility and our reputations suffer. When a person's experience does not match the hype, they leave with a bad taste in their mouth. And then they tell their friends. Providing a complete picture about what a person can expect in our business may lead a few to walk away. It's better to have them walk away before registration with a full understanding than have them walk away after they got in based on unrealistic expectations. 

If they walk away from our opportunity before registering, they may still be interested in our business later. And even if that's not the case, at least they'll respect the company and its representatives for their honesty. When a prospect signs up and discovers he or she is not likely to go Diamond in two years (while possible, it is not probable) or that they are indeed in the Quixtar business and that Quixtar is, in fact, closely linked to Amway (despite strong statements they are not), all credibility is out the window. 

It will not matter that many wonderful people have provided such positive testimonials about our business at www.thisbiznow.com. When prospects or new IBOs discover information from another source that they believe their sponsors or uplines should have presented to them, their trust in those people will have been damaged, and their trust in our business will diminish. The repeated cycle of unmet expectations has caused great damage to the reputations of Quixtar and Amway -- one person at a time over a great many years. 

I am passionate about all of the GREAT things about this business. Great products. Great people. Great plan and experienced support from an industry leader. I can never understand why some feel it is necessary to hide and conceal and distort. Presenting the facts should be compelling enough for viable prospects to make the choice for our business. If they're not, then we need to transform our business so that the facts are even more compelling (which, by the way, is what our First Circle initiatives are all about).

I hope you, like me, believe that the following promotional message is a load of hype that has no place in a respected business presentation, and that we do as much as we can to distance ourselves from operators like this.

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Comments

Alan said:
Friday, April 27, 2007 #

I have recently joined a Quixtar team here in Michigan. I hear some get caught up in the negative ramblings of weak-minded people who post with cowardly anonymity on the web. Uneducated prospects read these rants as gospel. So an ill-meaning few take away from many thousands of good Q people. I look for the yes's and good people, not the no's, they will stay right where they are!

Kia said:
Friday, April 27, 2007 #

Alan, thanks for sharing. Yes, some IBOs and prospects read critics' web sites and blogs and become discouraged and leave the business. No, critics don't always paint a fair and balanced picture of our business. Some even ramble. But I wouldn't characterize them as weak-minded simply because they don't agree with us. Some criticisms are based on experiences that have happened. Some are based on flaws in our business that DO need to be addressed. And some are because they were promised something that the business did not deliver (which is what this post was all about).  

Tex said:
Friday, April 27, 2007 #

Alan,

Did you know it is a well documented fact most of the profit for Emeralds and above comes from the tool profits?

Were you told this when shown the plan?

Did you know one of the founders of the Amway corporation "ranted" about this issue about a quarter of a century ago, and the problem continues to this day?

This thread is called "Honesty and Hype", and it is time Kia and others address this issue, because the drumbeat of truth and change is getting louder and louder with each passing day.

If you consider this "negative remblings", or words from a "weak-minded person", or lack of knowing my real name as "cowardly anonymity", or "uneducated", or "rants", I suggest you take your own advice and educate yourself about the source of the vast majority of profit from this business for Emeralds and above, which is the tool profits, and is also the source of much of the unnecessary overhead for those below the Platinum level.

You won't find any of the higher pins on this or any other blog refuting the above statements.

Kia,

You are talking the talk, now let's walk the walk.

Let's get the "Honesty and Hype" of this business straightened out, the sooner the better.

ibofightback said:
Sunday, April 29, 2007 #

I ask all IBOs to consider their goals. Are they planning to be in this thing for a short time, or do they plan on building a business to last a lift time? Hype, exaggerated claims, and outright lies and deceit may get some people to join. It may even get them to join fast. But it will also give the company and opportunity and the people who work with it a reputation as folk who hype, make exaggerated claims, and outright lie and deceive. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years down the track, what's your reputation going to be like? It's a 100% predictable result, if you just give it some thought.

Kia, you are absolutely correct. Someone who doesn't think this opportunity and these products are worth promoting with the truth, then they shouldn't be promoting them at all.

Kia said:
Monday, April 30, 2007 #

Tex, I think you've got to give us credit for acknowledging there are problems. That's the first step, isn't it? Please know that we're working hard to resolve these problems through a number of programs and initiatives.

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It is our goal to make sure people understand fully what they're getting into when they register with Quixtar, which includes how much they can expect to earn based on what they do. It also includes that they will be offered tools and that these are optional. We are working with IBOs to make the tools they provide more effective and valuable for those purchasing them.

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We also are working on creating our own tools that will help IBOs do a better job of retailing products. I guess what I'm saying is that we have a LOT of work happening on a LOT of fronts. People are working their butts off here at Quixtar...perhaps harder than I've ever experienced since the actual launch of Quixtar.

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Business transformation does not happen overnight, but it is happening.

Josh said:
Monday, April 30, 2007 #

Kia,

Fantastic post.  Unfortunately I have run into similar ads or "opportunities" that fall along these same lines.  In has in a couple instances "convinced" my prospects that it is a better deal.  Using exaggerated claims and unrealistice goals does turn some people on and off to our business.  Mostly because they are looking for that free cookie.  This also happens when you mention this business will take honest work, committment, and passion.

Tex,

Your post would be pertinent, but it is ramblings when every post you make is about the same thing.  Many times now I will simply see your name and skip down to the next post.  The only time I read your posts is if someone else references them in their posts (Kia in this instance).

Uneducated, that remains to be seen either way.  Using anonimity is your right.

Weakminded, you are definately not weak minded.  Your mind is so strong that it doesn't see the truth and attempts that not only Quixtar is making, but many of the education systems are also making to correct PAST problems.

Kia, again great post and looking forward to more.

Gene said:
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 #

Josh,

You have said it for all of us... I skip those posts too.  It is ashamed to see someone who wants to do this, but then has thier blinders on.  I get tired of hearing "ALL EMERALDS AND DIAMONDS....."  That is such a netxageration it is pittifull.  (netxageration= an idea found many places over the internet referancing something, with little to no actual fact involved)

SOME emerals and SOME diamonds make LARGE sums of $$ from the tools.  MOST make their money off of thier Q business.  Tex, if you truly belive there is such an issue, so sell mary kay or avon, or any of the other direct sales limited product based busineses, and stop poisoning the well for the rest of us.  It not only gets repetitive, and annoying, but wastes all of our time.

Gene

ibofightback said:
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 #

Tex, your claim about emeralds and above is utterly false. Do *some* make more from tools? Yes, Quixtar even says so on various sites. Do all of them as you claim? Absolutely not. There's even publicly available (ie published on the internet) divorce documents for a diamond proving you wrong. Kia - don't let Tex get away with stating outright falsehoods like that, the fact that you didn't deny it was true will be taken as tacit confirmation that it is true.

Tex said:
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 #

Kia,

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I have given you credit in the past for acknowledging there are problems.

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I have no issue with saying it again, "good job for recognizing you have problems."  

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It is also good to hear there are many people very busy addressing the problems, and when they are actually fixed, I will congratulate you again.

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Speaking of "optional" tools, it would be good to ensure they are indeed optional, as it has been my experience and the experience of many others the support stops when the tool purchases stop. There is also a rule you can get tools from whatever source you choose, but I have tried to get tools from different LOA's, and have not been able to buy the tools. A rule that cannot be used may as well not exist, right?

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Josh,

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I find it very hard to believe the largest source of profits, which is largely still not well known to most IBO's, can be overemphasized. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. If you want to skip over my name, by all means do so, I am not looking for you to be my friend, I am doing what I can to right a wrong, not make "blog buddies" with you or anyone else.

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There is a lot of TALK about fixing problems, but I will keep mentioning the problem until it is FIXED, thank you very much.

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Gene,

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I am not poisoning the well, the higher pins have done that during the past 3 decades with excessive tool profits, I am part of keeping the issue in a high profile status.

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I never said "ALL Emeralds and Diamonds", but it is many of them, not just a few.

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I suggest you take a close look at all of the various lawsuits, figure out how much your tools cost compared to other groups, then decide for yourself.

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I have decided for myself, and it isn't a pretty picture.

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I don't wear makeup, so Mary Kay or Avon aren't exactly my "cup of tea".

Terry said:
Tuesday, May 01, 2007 #

When you look at the prospect of working for a JOB and building someone elses "Dream" for many years and hope that your boss will take care of you. Is wrong. The US was built on small business and the business owner, our tax laws encourage business ownership. For the masses the Q business model is the best in the Universe. The lack of overhead, the abundance of product line, and true customer service from the corporation is the best. As for the comments on the Emeralds making all of their money on the tools,... humm it is sad that someone wants to complain about that when Zig, Pilzar, Robbins, all who are fantastic people just as Dr. and lawyers were all taught that if you have something good in your brain, share it and sell it. Anthony Robbins sells his books and tapes and they are a lot more expensive that a $2.50 CD that teaches me how to make $ with a vehicle like the Q business. Quixtar, the customer support, and the tools are the best PDP I have ever had. John Maxwell teaches on the same values and leadership qualities that Quixtar has, humm that sounds more credible than any other website like brotherinlaw.org or iamanegativewhinner.com Quixtar Rocks!

Kia said:
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 #

Thanks IBOfightback ... I considered responding to Tex on his tools claims and probably should have. I guess I was hesitant to get him started on a long thread on tools, as he has a tendency to do. I'll be more diligent next time, OK?

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Tex, regarding "optional" and support from upline: I understand that if someone doesn't buy into tools they risk getting less support from their upline. It won't change the support they receive from Quixtar, however. I think it's a shame some IBOs neglect their duties to those they've registered into the business simply because they choose not to participate fully in they system.

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The reason this happens, I've been told, is that tools participation indicates an IBO is serious about growth in the business. I believe that efforts to sell products and introduce the opportunity to others also will indicate to uplines that a new IBO is serious about the business. (Of course, that leads to the question: are all sponsors able to actually provide the support and training to their downline, or do they rely upon their upline to do that at Open Meetings and other system events?).

Tex said:
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 #

ibofb, I never said every single Emerald and above makes a significant percentage (more than 50%?) on tools, but I also believe it is much more common than you imply.

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The court case you cite is only one example, and was only one document in a court case that I think never made it to court, so the accuracy of the document, and the lack of it being challenged in a court of law, makes it very suspect at best. There are numerous other lawsuits and direct statements from former emeralds and above, all consistent, that support the opposite position. It is also easy to estimate the levels of profit, and it is also consistent with these statements. The lack of pushback from upline on this issue further gives it "legs". You can't ignore all of these factors for one document from one court case that was never tried.

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Terry, I would have no issue with the upline making money on tools IF they openly discussed this fact. They are supposed to be our "business partners" and "teammates", so they have a completely different relationship with us than the outside speakers. They are taking OUR money, and giving the impression Q is the source of their lifestyle, which is largely false.

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Kia, I would rather spend more time with those who are interested in gaining more knowledge and insight when I cannot be with them, but this is a catch 22 situation with the existing tool systems. If you dont' "contribute" to the tool profits, you get ignored.

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I appreciate the offer of help from the corp for training, but this is a violation of the rules. Aren't you concerned about a rules violation?

Tex said:
Wednesday, May 02, 2007 #

Kia, Regarding your last point above, in parentheses, I talked with the rules department about this a while back.

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They indicated only the immediate sponsor has the major responsibility to train and motivate their IBOs, and the Platinum has a loose, "generic" responsibility for their entire group.

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The rules folks even went as far as saying this is what the tools are for, and didn't back down when I brought up the fact there is a rule that tools are optional and the training and motivational support is not supposed to decrease based on not using the tools. This surprised me a bit.

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Another interesting aspect is when we were discussing the issue of buying the tools. IBOs are considered to be retail customers of the tools, which means we are not considered to be "business partners" or "teammates" of the upline, even though the upline likes to use these and other similar descriptions.

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This results in a dynamic being set up where an IBO can instruct upline not to contact their group to promote the upline's tool system, but if an IBO does not push back in this manner, they have given implied permission for the upline to sell tools to the IBO's group by default.

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One final interesting aspect along these lines is my attempts to contact various tool systems from other LOAs, and have been turned away, even though there is a rule an IBO is allowed to buy tools from any source they choose.

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The tool companies are not allowed to market to others, but IBOs, by rule, are allowed to get tools from other LOAs. In practical terms, this is not possible in my experience, and the rule may as well lock an IBO into their own LOA's tool system.

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And yes, ibofb, one of those tool systems was N21.    

Jeffrey said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

Unfortunately, I have had the same experience that Tex talks about. Stop purchasing the tools and the upline support stops. I e-mailed my upline Diamond last week to verify something regarding bonus roll-up. Guess what? No response. Again. So it's sad, but most everything Tex says is true.

On the other hand, I've been in the business long enough to remember the old Rich DeVos tapes. Anyone remember the classic "Try or Cry"? I've gone back to how Rich and Jay (it's hard to just say Rich. It will always be Rich and Jay to me) meant the business to be--building not just an organization, but building a SALES organization. I've totally focused on re-building a large customer base and focusing totally on sales. Result? April was my best month in almost 2 years. The best PV, the highest retail. I made $100 more in April than I did in March and it's just the beginning. I believe that most of my new IBOs will come from being a satisfied customer.

You don't need a boatload of tools to do demos and cost comparisons (following the rules of conduct guidelines, of course) to develop new customers. If we would go back to the way it was meant to be, we would have incredibly profitable IBOs that would make money right from the start doing it right and I think that for the most part, the upline tool systems will fade away.

Do the tools help? Somewhat but most are subjective. It's not like a hammer--use this tool and you WILL get this result. With the upline tools, you MAY get results. So, get some customers first, get profitable, then buy some tools if you feel like you need to; just watch what you buy and evaluate the results very closely. One important point about building a big retail business: it's pretty hard to lie to your customers when you know they can go on the site to verify everything you've told them.

Kia said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

Amen Jeffrey. I don't disagree with what Tex is saying about upline support. It should be provided regardless of tools participation. I'm only saying, as it's been explained to me, that sponsorsing IBOs will place more time and attention on those who demonstrate a commitment to building their business through purchase of tools.

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But, as you've demonstrated, Jeffrey, it can be OK to develop your own business focus and use some of the historical materials that exist to inform your business-building efforts.

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Not only that, you're moving toward a balanced business approach that we will increasingly support with free tools from the company. I work with all the editors here at Quixtar, and we are ALL excited about the direction we're taking in developing materials that help IBOs talk directly to consumers.

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So, there are issues for many with the way tools currently exist in our business. The company's working on that with LOAs. Meanwhile, for IBOs who prefer not to plug into a system, we're working hard to provide the tools they need to succeed.

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Congratulations on a great April Jeffrey. I hope your experience will be repeated over and over again with others who see the value in creating a consumer base upon which and from which they can build their business organization.

Tex said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

Kia, I am also happy for Jeffrey, but Quixtar does not sponsor IBOs, and his experience is far from typical. Most IBOs don't recall the days of Rich and Jay, so there is nothing "to back to" for them.  How will you get the message across regarding the First Circle, if upline is not behind it?  

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Even if the upline gets behind First Circle, I will expect them to promote tools even harder, as they would then have the retail profit the First Circle produces to continue the practice of charging the same for tools, and most IBOs not realizing upline makes most of their money from the tools.

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Without changing the tool profits, you have done little to fix the real issue with First Circle. In fact, you have enabled it, much like the Accreditation program gives a false sense of "seal of approval" on these tools systems.  

Kia said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

Thanks Tex. First, we have the ability to communicate with ALL IBOs, not just leaders. Second, we plan to provide free or cheap training materials and collateral support that will make our programs compelling. Third, we are working on other programs that address practically every concern you raise.

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For some of this, you will need to demonstrate (a little) patience. I know, I know... 1983...25 years...how much longer? I think as we roll out new programs this summer and fall, you will begin to see the attention we are providing to IBOs in support of the First Circle business transformation.

Josh said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

Here is a quick thought on the upline not helping a downline that isn't using the tools.

How would you expect a person to help you out (assuming they are successful) in your business if you are not willing to duplicate what they did to be successful?  

You have to remember that many, many, many people who begin a Q* business have zero business knowledge. The knowledge they do receive is through a training system.  A person can not be held liable if a downline goes in a different direction than the sponsor.  Offer advice, yes, but they are treading in unknown, and unproven waters and the sponsor really has zero idea how to help that person.

Tex, to address your question about getting a refund from the upline instead of a sponsor....some of us here have decided to take ownership of their own business.  The buck starts and stops with my business, in either direction, especially where money is concerned.  If you utter the words to a new person "the tools are optional" then the burden falls solely on you to remedy the situation.  You wouldn't tell the person "Oh, well you need to take care of it yourself with the upline".  Responsibility is solely on you, and you shouldn't be passing the buck to your upline or downline.

Jeffrey, I am not sure how large your business is, but from my experience, tools (as part of the LOA) are not meant to be 100% mechanics on selling the Q* products (which is why I am excited about Q*'s role in new tools promoting the products), they help develop, thought process, attitude, lasting relationships and the ability to create a large team.  Not just create a large team, but also to keep a large together.  That is the benefit of tools to me.

I also agree with you Jeffrey to get profitable with the products.  Find repeat customers intially to offset any costs associated with product demos, tools or any other expense you may have.  

A great way is the Gift Albums.  Q* has done a FANTASTIC job with the new Ribbon intiative.  I am already have an order in line.  It is going to be big, and profitable.  It is a very HOT item for some B2B sales right now.

Josh said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

Kia,  the Q* team has made some big leaps in these past few months.  Please let them know that we appreciate their efforts. 

Darlene said:
Thursday, May 03, 2007 #

I'm new to the Quixtar company, but I have many questions regarding the legitamacy of this business. I've been to several "Opens" and have heard many positive things (but realistically, are they going to tell you anything negative?). I've wondered how many of the Platinums, Diamonds, and Emeralds really get the majority of their money. I find it hard to believe that by 'referring' people as we're told will help us achieve our dreams. I think Quixtar can and has helped many people, but I'm concerned that by joining I've just become the sucker that was born this minute. Does anyone have any advice, in all honesty, about the legitimacy of Quixtar or this just another scAmway?  

Cathi Jo Baender said:
Saturday, May 05, 2007 #

Tex....you do have issues and you must be a very thirsty gentleman with the glass always being 'half-empty.'  I wonder which world you live in? I thought we all had 24 hr. days?  Now you tell me how an IBO who has dozens of business partners is able to be what each person wants?  The tools are a way that each IBO who CHOOSES can use them to keep abreast of what is happening with the Quixtar opportunity and provide them with ongoing positive motivation when their sponsors or uplines physically do not have enough hours in each day to personally help them.  
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Josh and Alan...kudos to you both. You both have what it will take to be successful!!  Tex...the tools have kept myself and my husband in the business...the public mindset tends to be negative - I'm sure you've had experience with that.. and the small dollar cost for the kind of top quality advice you receive from tools is not even an issue. Do some research on what tools cost in other businesses and who is making that profit and one has to wonder what the advantage is to 'major in the minors' when it comes to Quixtar.
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24 hours each day limits the amount of physical help we can offer our downline...those who use tools tell us that they are wanting to develop a large business and we help them accordingly. Those who decide not to use tools and perhaps concentrate on retail or even just a small personal use business still have our love and encouragement.  Any self-respecting IBO is always available to answer concerns and questions from their downline...when one brings others into the business one automatically gives up the right to be selfish and self-serving.
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To me the profit from tools is a non-issue....Quixtar is a win-win situation for everyone new or established and Tex you will probably complain yourself out of any support. I'll remember you in my prayers! Kia has said that concerns are being addressed and that's good enough for me!!
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Darlene...believe in yourself and believe in the Quixtar opportunity. Our partner stores [edit brand name: RL] and many other players in Quixtar would have definitely checked it out backwards and forwards before getting involved. It has been subjected to all kinds of inquiries and has come out with flying colors.
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There is nothing to hide and you ARE NOT a sucker. Referring people does work but not overnight. Remember when people are referred product use has to follow as that is how you will see substantial dollar benefits. Our plan does state there are no guarantees because we don't know your commitment level or how consistent your work ethic may be.

I know how you feel. When you're new there are so many questions and I felt at times "is this really possible?" But you know what I found? Even if it's hard to see the whole picture just ask yourself what if just half of what you've been told you could make happens, it will still be better than whatever is out there in the world. Stick with it and take baby steps...contrary to what Tex feels you are not being taken advantage of by reading books and listening to positive ideas. Doing that will go a long way into increasing your self-esteem and your knowledge...find a mentor or someone who you can trust, view life as a glass that's 'half-full' not 'half-empty,' believe in your dreams and don't let any well-meaning 'dream-stealers' dash your hope. You can do it!!

Tex said:
Saturday, May 05, 2007 #

Kia, I am encouraged you recognize you can communicate with all IBOs, not just the higher pins (leaders, if you insist).

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Whether the tools you produce are free or low cost is not a major concern to me. I don't mind paying for the cost of the tools. The major concern I raise is transparency into the tool profits. You can "fix" everything else, but if you don't fix this issue, I believe you will have accomplished very little. However, I have to agree having free/low cost tools will be a significant step in that direction, as it will bring more attention and focus on this issue.

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Josh, I'm not against duplication and getting advice from someone who knows more, but to hide the major source of profit (tools) while teaching the minor source of profit (Q) is wrong. It is unethical and immoral, in my opinion.

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Regarding buying back your tools, that is exactly how your upline wants you to act. They make all the profit (I assume you are less than Platinum) and you take all the risk (buy back tools). They have taught you well.

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Darlene, It is not a straightforward issue. Remember, there are 2 separate but related businesses, Q and the upline tool system. Both create profit, but the tools are a loss until you get to Platinum. If you get to the Emerald and above level, you can earn several times more on tools than Q. The Q products/services make money from the "get go". One is shown in the marketing plan (Q) and the other is hidden (tools). Hopefully the actions being taken will help this issue.

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At least they have this blog and are open about discussing the issues. You won't find ANY upline posting here or any other blog. That should tell you something. Going in with your eyes wide open will serve you well, and the above information was not something I had when I got started. Good luck.

Josh said:
Saturday, May 05, 2007 #

Darlene,

Congratulations on starting your Q* business.  This blog as well as the Adatudes blog are great resources to have many of your questions answered.

Please make it a point to ask your questions here rather than any other random blogs out there.

As far as the legitimacy of Quixtar and its parent company Alticor, they have NEVER missed a check to me, and in my research, never missed a check to anyone that I know.  Amway, the sister company is still around a 6 billion dollar company worldwide.  In many of its markets, it is growing at a rapid pace.

If you saw a business plan of the 6-4-2 model, know that if you put a business together similar to that you will yield the results, and subsequently get paid for your efforts.

The money that Emeralds and Diamonds get, or anyone for that matter (as far Quixtar money is concerned) is based solely on the structure of your business.  You can be out worked and thereby get paid less than those you sponsor. That is just part of the business.

Some of the higher pins, Emeralds and above also make money for producing educational materials.  Similar to Tiger Woods creating a video or book on how to become a pro golfer.  You should examine these materials for both content and educational value.  ALL educational materials you purchase are 100% optional (per Quixtar business rules of conduct).  These "tools" as they are called also have a 6 month buy back guarantee, very similar to ANYTHING you purchase at Q* also have a 100% buyback.

Hope that helps.

Josh said:
Sunday, May 06, 2007 #

Tex, yes I have been taught well.  However it wasn't by my upline.  Being responsible for your business and your business team is imperative, regardless of the type of business.

People will then see your integrity and belief in them and in yourself.  They will see your courage and follow that example.  They won't follow whining and whimpering about something that is out of their control.

Darlene, to further the conversation, and really the only negative I have heard about Q*, is the tool systems.  Just understand this, the founders of those tool systems do make a substantial amount of money on top of the Q* money they earn for producing and distributing those materials.  However, in most LOAs they developed significantly large businesses before hand.  Everyone starts in the same place 0PV and 0BV.  

Just ascertain the value the CDs and Books have on your and in your life.  If they hold no value, return them to your upline.  Your education will come from those who are successful and at a very small percentage of a traditional college education.

Tex said:
Sunday, May 06, 2007 #

Cathi Jo, I have no issue with the tools, I have a problem with the prices and resulting excessive profits that result. Many MLMs provide the tools for free, I suggest YOU do some research.

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I'll remember you in my prayers as well. I trust Kia, but I also like the Reagan line to "trust but verify." I also believe the more pressure that is applied, the sooner the changes you don't even think are necessary will occur.

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The Partner Stores are interested primarily in driving more volume. If people don't get ripped off when they buy the Partner Store products, they don't need to look into much else.

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There is plenty to hide, or her upline would have answered her questions straight up.

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Very good feel/felt/found, and encouraging "you can do it!". Now let's get back to normally scheduled programming and talk facts. As I stated above, I believe in the books and tapes/CDs, but I also believe in honesty, ethics, and morals. I am honest, how 'bout you? Can you return that "shout?"

Tex said:
Sunday, May 06, 2007 #

Josh, the educational materials are nowhere near Tiger Woods making a golfing video or book. He is not our "business partner" or "teammate," and we are not his captive audience. Apples and oranges, Josh. The "optional" nature of the tools is not true. My upline, and many others, ignore you after going off the tools. Some option, Josh.

Josh said:
Monday, May 07, 2007 #

Tex, it is exactly the same as a Tiger Woods video or book.  The goal is to become a better golfer than you currently are today.  However, much like our materials I gather he will not make any promises that you will be successful with his teaching.  You buy the video for success in golfing.  You expect to get what you pay for.  If you don't find the information helpful you return it.

Same goes for CDs, books, etc. purchased through our business. You purchase the materials with hopes they will provide insights, tips, and encouragement to build a successful business.  You listen, read, and evaluate ("trust but verify") the information.  If you find it helpful, great! If you don't, you can return the materials.

This nonsense about being a "business partner" doesn't apply, in my opinion, to no one other than an IBO and their direct sponsored legs.

The apples-to-apples correlation would be people buying the book or video from Tiger Woods and then expect to be called a fellow golf pro. Gimme a break!

Murray said:
Wednesday, May 30, 2007 #

Wednesday May30 2007        After reading the above blog remarks I would like to say that without the training materials made available by successfull people in the business, I would not have the knowledge to build my business as I have.They made available easily that know-how I needed  so I could succeed in an area I knew nothing about. If they make a buck, so what? So will I with the business.

With the heart said:
Tuesday, June 05, 2007 #

You have to read the post of Murray, He said it all, learning how to make money building a business...

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I'm a founder Platinum, Q12 Qualified, and i make 20% of my income with the tools and 80% with the Quixtar compensation plan.

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So, the negative people want to know if this is true... They will have to do what we do... Focus, perseverance and stop complaining like a teenager...

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Build it and live it....

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It is much easier to be negative, cause if they decide to be positive they will have to do it...

Josh said:
Friday, June 29, 2007 #

Beautiful Statement!

Beryl Nichols said:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 #

Tex,

You seem to be fixated big time on the cost of tools. I am familiar with business in the sense that you have supply and demand which drives the price.  If the price is too high typically the product sales go down.  The owner of the tools determines the price.  Don't be nieve in thinking that anybody in this business or any other should or would give you something for nothing.  If enough people buy the tools to make it profitable to produce, why lower your price and profit margin? I think profit is an honorable thing if you provide goods and services people will buy. I would be more concerned with what the systems and tools teach than what they cost.  Tom Hopkins sells the same tools, without change for 20 years, and they still cost $200. for his teachings. I think his teachings are dumb, dumb, dumb but I have a 20 year old set and can't even play them cause my cd player won't take cassette tapes.  But I never played the blame game with Tom and I've never complained about the millions he's made, selling tapes, books, seminars and trips.  Same with Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey, Tony Robbins, Wayne Dyer,Jim Rohn, to name just a few that I own.  Should I feel used and abused because I helped enrich

someone who tried to help me with my "stinkin' thinkin"? Some of the names you might recognize as Amway distributors like Ziglar and Rohn. I have been trying to get you to enlighten me about the way you feel about tools.  You are on all the blogs talking about nobody addressing the profit issue on tools and I am still trying to get you to explain your position.  Help me out Tex!  Keep the Faith!!

B. Nichols said:
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 #

Robin,

The promotional message in the beginning made me think "my God, Glenn W. Turner and Dare to be Great is back!!!" He went to jail, in the 70's so I guess he's back inn business pinning $100. bills on his lapel.  What a mess...the first MLM company, harelip to multi-millionaire!

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