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Tuesday, June 12, 2007

I'm reading a book right now entitled "Trust: The Secret Weapon of Effective Business Leaders," by Kathy Bloomgarden. So far it's a pretty engaging overview of the attributes that make companies trusted. Essentially, Bloomgarden says the four drivers of trust are:

  1. Delivers Results
  2. Ethical
  3. Transparency
  4. Listens

For me, anyway, the book is affirming the actions being taken by Quixtar right now.  The first aspect you have to address as a business is delivering results. Otherwise you won't be in business long! But if they're not ethical results, your company won't last long either. Transparency is about "proving" to others that you're doing the right things; you have nothing to hide! And listening to your audiences--customers, shareholders, employees, critics--is essential to continually meet the market's needs.

Quixtar's strategic plan for 2007 (and beyond) includes elements to improve results by addressing our product portfolio and compensation plan and the training IBOs will need as we introduce new (and better) ways of doing our business. These initiatives will hopefully support continuous improvements on the results front.

We believe we have pursued an ethical approach to the business, but we need to ensure we all are moving forward together on that front.  From PDAP to disclosure, stronger enforcement of rules and perhaps the creation of new ones, there's a lot of work going on to ensure we move forward in an ethical manner.

I think we're doing a better job of being transparent, but it's so difficult when you're going about transforming your business and trying to manage communications to key audiences in a cascading manner. There is SO MUCH we want to talk about but can't until we've worked our way through approvals from company owners and top executives, notifications to business leaders, the field, and employees.

And, finally, we're listening. I think for decades we've "heard" complaints and we've tried to "deal with" them. But I think today we actually listen to the feedback to determine how we can avoid others having an experience that would lead to the same result. As the old saying goes, if you do today what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always gotten. Except in our business I think there actually are diminishing returns for doing business the same old way.

All of this, by the way, starts at the top. This is true for our many efforts to improve our business and reputation and to better communicate with all of our key audiences. Without support from the highest levels, including a willingness to invest to make these things happen, business transformation could not happen. Steve Van Andel and Doug DeVos, from what I've seen, are committed to making this global business the leader in our industry.  Not just the sales leader. But also the leader in ethics, in transparency, and in listening to our audiences.  Jim Payne carries that mission into his work with Quixtar and most Amway markets around the world.  Without his support and his own active blogging here in the Opportunity Zone, this kind of dialog could not happen.

I have been with Amway and Quixtar for 15 years, and I've never been more excited about what is happening within this company and in the field.  Scary?  You bet.  With the kind of changes being discussed, there are a lot of uncertainties. Doing business different probably means organizational changes. It probably means we don't do some things we've done before and start doing things we've never done. That's not comfortable, but it is the right thing to do.

As the company and the business goes through these changes, I hope all participants embrace those changes and pursue new ways of doing things.  Because our business relies upon face-to-face contact, trust is essential. That means we need to make sure that we're all committed to HOTT communications, to doing the work necessary to provide an excellent experience for customers and new IBOs, and operating with the highest ethical standards. Sounds pretty basic, huh?



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Comments

ibofightback said:
Tuesday, June 12, 2007 #

Looks like it's going to be an interesting ride over the next few years :-)

AS the old saying goes, you don't only have to do the right thing, you also need to be seen to being doing the right thing. Dexter Yager has a saying about "the facts don't matter" and in many cases he's quite correct - as far as people are concerned it's what they *believe* are the facts that matter. In our business there's been an increasing divide between reality and the perception of that reality, and I think this divide has occurred and is occurring in multiple places. In many ways, the internet accelerates this divide, a problem Andrew Keen talks about in his new book "The Cult of the Amateur".

It's the 21st century. The only constant is change. Let's embrace and enjoy! :-)

Curious said:
Wednesday, June 13, 2007 #

Would anyone like to comment on the following.????

Alticor to rebuild Amway brand in North America

6/13/2007, 10:24 a.m. EDT

The Associated Press    

ADA, Mich. (AP) — Quixtar is on its way out. Amway is on its way back.

Direct-sales giant Alticor Inc. confirmed Wednesday that it will scrap its 7-year-old Quixtar Inc. label during the next 1 1/2 to two years and focus on rebuilding its Amway brand in North America.

The Alticor name itself will be relegated to the back burner.

Employees received the news last week in an internal memo from company Chairman Steve Van Andel and President Doug DeVos, The Grand Rapids Press reported.

"We are going through a global transformation of our business," the memo said. "This includes rethinking our global approach to products, training, brands, and how we operate in all the countries in which Alticor operates. As part of that, in 18 to 24 months, we're planning to begin using the Amway name in North America to unite our business opportunity under a single global brand."

Although no public announcement has been made, Alticor spokesman Rob Zeiger confirmed the changes Wednesday, adding that he does not expect any jobs to be lost as a result.

The company dropped the Amway name in the United States and Canada in 2000 as part of an overhaul that took what had started as a door-to-door vitamin sales business into the world of online sales via Quixtar.

The move also was widely viewed as a way of helping the company shed some of the negative connotations the Amway name had acquired. The Quixtar name, however, never resonated with the public.

"Research has shown us that the Quixtar name is weaker and less known in the U.S. and Canada than we ever expected," the memo said. "Meanwhile, even eight years after leaving North America, the Amway name is stronger and better known than we realized."

The Amway name has enjoyed a resurgence overseas as the company focused on expanding operations under that banner in Asia. Amway China last year accounted for more than $2 billion of Alticor's $6.3 billion in annual sales.

The Amway name began to re-emerge in the United States last year when the company bought the naming rights to the arena in which Amway co-founder Rich DeVos' Orlando Magic of the NBA play their home games.

EDITOR NOTE:  Check out Beth's Inside Quixtar blog for more on this!

serious2 said:
Wednesday, June 13, 2007 #

Here's hoping that the corporation finally takes the reins of training IBOs and takes the profits out of the pockets of some of these organizations out there that are giving us a bad name.  There really are IBOs out there willing to help other people succeed, without having "tool" profits their main motivation.

VandalIBO said:
Thursday, June 14, 2007 #

serious2, not all systems give Q/A a bad name.  Why punish the ones that have been working with them to better the name?

serious2 said:
Thursday, June 14, 2007 #

There is one group in particular (that I am not in) right now who is providing audios for free, downloadable and not copyrighted so that they can transfer those to downline.  I think that is FANTASTIC.  What's wrong with actually teaching retail and keeping the BIG money out of the tool business.    It is that reason that the Dateline show aired, and that there are so many negative sites.  I just think the motivational system needs to be cleaned up.  Making a profit on tools is okay, but retiring lavishly off of those massive profits while IBOs downline are making no profits because they purchase those tools is not okay.  Not saying all organizations are bad or are giving Q/A a bad name, but I think we know of a handful who are...

Tex said:
Thursday, June 14, 2007 #

VandalIBO, Name one.

VandalIBO said:
Thursday, June 14, 2007 #

I agree with you.  I also believe Quixtar has made strides toward cleaning things up with PDAP.  Hopefully all systems will see the need for this and submit.

Lee Ziegler said:
Monday, June 18, 2007 #

I wish someone would explain to me why we don't sponsor a nextel cup team?I think the nutrilite sponsorship of asafa powell is a step forward but who watches that stuff.There is a reason why the top corps in the country line up to sponsor race teams.If you had a driver promoting the business it would create a huge buzz!

Lee Ziegler said:
Monday, June 18, 2007 #

The Amway name never should have changed!Great leaders like Charlie and Elsie Marsh helped build the name into something that we all could be proud of.It is time for the Amway name to circle the U.S and teach people the principles of Rich and Jay.Now is the time to take it back!!!!

Kia said:
Tuesday, June 19, 2007 #

Thanks for your thoughts Lee. Regarding Nextel Cup sponsorship, I'd say never say never, but it's very expensive to be involved in race sponsorship (we know, because we did Indy for years) and, unless you're a huge advertiser, difficult to get the visibility you seek from such a sponsorship.  Also, it's very North American in focus.

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As a sponsorship, Asafa kind of fell into our laps. His brother contacted us after he set the World Record (just months after he started taking Nutrilite Double X). We didn't necessarily go out looking for someone to sponsor, but when the World's Fastest Man tells you he likes what your product does for him, you work it out. Asafa helps us globally, not just the U.S. And he doesn't cost us *nearly* as much money as NASCAR would.

Tom Shannon said:
Tuesday, June 19, 2007 #

I think this transition is going to be incredible. The TRUST factor is a must though! Everyone involved needs to do their part to ensure we're delivering the results ALL IBOs want, while being ethical and transparent. Is there bonehead people/systems in this business? Yep! But there's boneheads everywhere, its a part of life. The company has committed to cleaning things up and I know they will. As for the individual IBO, if you can look yourself in the mirror knowing you're doing a good thing, and a new IBO looks you in the eyes and knows you're committed to helping them, its all good! Trust and honesty will prevail. Lets Keep It Real!

Keli McNamara said:
Wednesday, June 20, 2007 #

I think the upcoming change is going to be awesome!!!! Here's to focusing on what the future of this business is about rather than focusing on what it's called.  

Josh said:
Thursday, June 21, 2007 #

Kia,

Looking forward to all the new incentives and other things happening.  However, it is ironic that you title this thread "Trust."  Trust is most definitely important.  

Here is the question Kia.  What sort of example of "trust" do we have with the Corporation?  Can we trust our voices to actually be heard, or can expect similar one-sided decisions?  Listening is one thing, truly hearing what people say and allowing time for them (IBOs) to say it, says a lot about the trust we have with one another.

Answering tough questions is also part of that trust.  What were the factors that led to this decision?  The real ones, Kia.  Get past all the nicey nice PR bull.  

It does all sound good and I am for changes and tweaks when necessary but if the corp and IBOs are to hand-in-hand, shouldn't we at least get a brief moment to comment on such HUGE business changes??

Tex said:
Sunday, June 24, 2007 #

Josh,

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You can't be serious.

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You're not going to get past the "PR bull" any more than you would with any other large corporation.

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They made the decision to change the name, and it's a done deal.

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Get over it and move on.

Josh said:
Thursday, June 28, 2007 #

Being over the name change is NOT the issue.  Re-read the comments.

The issue is the one-sided decision making without any input from IBOs.

I also don't expect any blog author to comment, because they are not being transparent.  Which is OK.  It is their perogative.

It just drops their creditability and "trust".  Especially after running this whole transparency campaign.

Kia said:
Friday, June 29, 2007 #

Josh and all:  The discussion regarding our business transformation (first!) and eventual business rebranding is being handled at Beth's blog.  Please go to http://insidequixtar.opportunityzone.com/2007/06/14/Its-about-a-transformation.aspx to participate. This isn't about transparency; it's about knowing that this isn't my topic to talk about at this time.  Thanks Josh!!

Tex said:
Saturday, June 30, 2007 #

This thread is about trust.

Josh maintains the trust has been broken by Amway taking back their name without IBOAI/IBO participation in the issue.

I say we are independent contractors and are not required to be involved in this decision.

I further maintain the real trust problem is with the IBOAI themselves, along with every single IBO who is aware of the tool profit issue and has not had the spine or backbone to come forward with the truth regarding the level of tool profit that has occurred for several decades.

Josh said:
Monday, July 02, 2007 #

Again it is not a matter of requirement.  It is a matter of trust.  Q* can do whatever they want with their business and opportunity....because it is theirs.  This goes beyond that.  Especially with all the transparency and "working hand in hand" talk that THEY initiated with this blog.

That is what I am talking about.  I could care less about the IBOAI or what they think (doesn't pertain to my business).  What I care about is the double talk going on, or the appearance that I see.

Kia, I am also not looking to be "handled".  I want your opinion on this matter.  Do you think it is right?  

I don't expect you will answer but that is what I am looking for.  I know Beth's answer as stated in her blog.

Elizabeth M said:
Monday, July 02, 2007 #

This is the first time I am reading comments about the transition here.  Of course I had heard about it from my organization, but I have not seen or ever even heard about this "trust" issue that folks have talked about.  I have only heard positive things and have not seen anything to show me otherwise from Quixtar.  

Tex said:
Monday, July 02, 2007 #

Josh,

Why don't you care about the IBOAI, they represent us to the corp, they are voted in by Platinum and above IBO's? Why don't you think they pertain to your business?

You will ALWAYS get double talk and "handling" from any corp, until they prove otherwise. To expect differently is naive. I am reading a great book at the recommendation of someone on these blogs called "The Cluetrain Manifesto", which is about how the internet and particularly blogs, have changed the equation. I highly recommend the book to anyone, I checked it out of my local library. Amway has started taking baby steps with these blogs, but they have a long way to go.

Your upline doesn't even care what is on your mind, so they are lightyears ahead of them already, even with the baby steps, because the upline has to overcome decades of secrets and culture that are anti-matter to an open blog.

Josh said:
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 #

Tex,

You have NO idea who my upline is and the trust I may have with them.  My upline is my best friend since grade school.  My LOA also doesn't have to "overcome decades of secrets" as they are forthcoming with any questions I have asked.  

My questions are also directly answered by my upline, now Diamond (usually the same day).  I don't get the "well talk to so-and-so because they are handling that issue" diversion.

IBOAI doesn't factor in my business currently, and apparently it doesn't factor in with Q/A either.  They also don't hold any relevance to this discussion.  I don't have personal dialogue the IBOA.  Here I do.

Tex said:
Tuesday, July 03, 2007 #

Josh,

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Great, that makes you the perfect "mark".

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I trusted my upline as well, a friend from work, his brother in law a doctor. Big Mistake. Big. Huge. Mistake.

Josh said:
Wednesday, July 04, 2007 #

Well, that is exactly it.  It was YOUR mistake to make.  Sounds like to me you didn't heed your own advice. "Trust but verify"  Maybe you were naive when you started but that is no excuse.

I have zero issue with my upline and the trust I have with them.  If I quit tomorrow, I would not have anything negative to say about my investment or the people I have met.  It has always been my decision and will continue to my decision.

Tex said:
Monday, July 09, 2007 #

Josh,

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I never said I didn't make a mistake. And based on my experience, I was relatively naive when I got involved. However, it takes 2 to tango, and I was the one doing the "giving", and they were the ones doing the "taking".

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Also, the point isn't you or me as individuals, because our 2 experiences won't matter to a hill of beans with respect to the overall business reputation (although our activity on this and other blogs has MUCH more influence than prior to the internet coming along).

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What really matters is the overall perception, based on the facts regarding the true business model of Amway versus tool profits.

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There will ALWAYS be IBOs quitting over fear, personality conflicts, etc., but we don't have to use these other valid and invalid reasons for camouflage and totally distort the true business model.

Josh said:
Tuesday, July 10, 2007 #

Agreed mostly,

However, as you said the internet has and will continue to have a huge impact, especially where new IBOs or prospects go to do "research".

When they see nothing but people, like yourself, complaining on nearly every blog about the same issue, it will discourage them from becoming an IBO.  That also hurts the reputation.  If they saw not only your concerns, but also your thoughts on how to correct the problems you see, and give credit where credit is due (ie Quixtar) then it would help the reputation.  Also, lumping every Diamond to your issues does not help the cause of reputation either.  So if you are really an advocate for changing the reputation, then if should begin with your posts. IMHO.

Tex said:
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 #

Josh,

Then the right answer is to take away the source of my "complaints", and tell the truth about the tool profits. The way it is now, I don't want any new IBO's to sign up, because it is VERY likely they are walking into a  business model (Amway only) that bears no resemblence to the actual business model (Amway plus tool profits).

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The reputation SHOULD be hurt, that is the purpose of the changes, to fix the conditions that result in the bad reputation. It sounds like you would rather sweep the whole thing under the rug. Do you honestly think the necessary changes will occur without the pressure being applied? They haven't made changes for about 3 decades, what would cause change now if it wasn't for the pressure from the blogs and government regulators?

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You name your tool prices and LOS/LOA, and we'll see if your organization should be treated differently. Better yet, have your upline post the tool profits here, and then we can see what the facts are. Until then, the broad brush needs to be applied. If you're REALLY different than the rest, prove it.    

Josh said:
Thursday, July 12, 2007 #

Tex,

I have posted both answers to your questions.  You should know this, because you asked for them before.

Besides, as your "call to correction" is concerned, you should not be interested in the cost of tools but what people are making in the profit ratio (between tools/Q*). In your words.

As I have said before, my Diamond said from stage several things concerning tools at several functions (especially after the Dateline crap).

1) They are optional, no one forces you to do anything.  We have a volunteer army.

2) No one should place undo pressure on downline to build or buy anything (Josh says--however sometimes a good whack upside the head is needed--metaphorically speaking).

3) The average Diamond in his business at the Diamond level only, has made roughly 66% additional income compared to their Q* bonuses.  So for example ONLY:

If they made 150k from Q* at Diamond they would make 100K from tool profit.  It has always been talked about as an additional incentive to build a proper business and never hidden since I have been an IBO.

That is what was said at several functions.  Also, as far as I know, all of his front line Diamonds have always requalified as Diamonds or have moved on.  My guess is because he taught them to do it right (not like Bo Short--alledgedly).

So there is your proof.  It was all I needed, and then on top of that Q* saying at www.thefactsaboutquixtar.com, "some with BSM systems can make more income from the sale of BSMs than from Q*."  Which makes sense when you consider the simple numbers, regardless of price.

So commense the de-lumping together!(yes, I know you won't, you will come up with some other bull)  Thank you anyway.

Tex said:
Thursday, July 12, 2007 #

Josh,

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Sorry if I don't recall your answers, why not post them again, so you can brag on your upline and tool system? The cost of tools indicates if your upline is running things significantly different than the groups who have had former Emeralds and above say what they made. Unless your upline has much higher production costs, and/or much lower prices, you can throw them in the same pot.

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1. Tools are as volunteer as whether you want any meaningful help. That statement is a crock, as far as I am concerned. When I went off standing order 2 years ago, I haven't received a single e-mail, phone call, visit, or any other contact from any of my upline.

2. The high tool prices requires "undo pressure", that's just a symptom of the basic problem.

3. Some people don't count "speaker fees" (ibofb comes to mind), so I wonder what the 66% represents for your Diamond.

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I have always had an issue with the BSM statement, because what it really means is most Emeralds and above make a lot of tool money compared to their Amway money, so I consider it corporate-speak, not plain English.

There's your "bull", just put the facts on the table, Mr. Upline "business partner" and "teammate".  Speaking of bull, where's the beef?

Josh said:
Tuesday, July 17, 2007 #

Here are go again, around in a circle.  I gave you flat out plain English.  It doesn't get any flatter than that.  Now to address your points.

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1) I can not speak for your upline, but I still help out downline who are no longer a part of the "system".  I will always help them out, because it is in my best interest to do so, as well as my contractual obligation.  However, what I will not be a welfare center.  When new IBOs get started they get a ton of free "stuff" from me, but always with the expectation they will need to duplicate my efforts.

2) The "high" tool prices are a matter of opinion and have no relevence.  What is relevent is the value said "tools" have on a person's business.

3) In that same talk, he said some get paid more for being on the "speaking" circuit.  If you are a fast growing business, you are a wanted commodity throughout the system.  Both is live teachings and on CDs.  

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I agree with you about the BSM statement.  It should be a couple lines long tops.  It is very "corporate".

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You are not a partner or teammate of anyone's business officially, including your downline.  Read the contract you have with new downline.  I don't think those words appear there.

Tex said:
Thursday, July 19, 2007 #

Josh,

1. Fine, you have your experience, and I have mine. I doubt most of your group is willing to duplicate giving away "a ton of free stuff" to their downline, am I right?

2. So if tapes were $1,000 each, no relevance?

3. He also said to keep their tool profit (I include "speaking fees" as part of that, because it increases the ticket prices) less than 20% of their Amway profit, did you hear that part?

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I am glad we can agree on the BSM statement, it is VERY misleading.

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If you are contractually required to help train and motivate your personally registered IBO's, that is close enough to a business partner and teammate for me.

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In addition, the fine print in the contract doesn't hold a candle to the rabid insistence from upline we are their teammates and business partners.

Josh said:
Thursday, July 19, 2007 #

Tex,

1) Thanks for acknowledgment.  Being willing or not is irrelevent.  Many do give away stuff to new prospects.  Some do not, remember part of what I teach is financial budgeting.  My goal is not to put new IBOs into more debt building the business.

2)Exactly, no relevence.  What is relevent is if you perceive that tape had a value to you personally of $1000 or more.

3)I am not aware of any contract that says tool profit has to be 20% of your Q/A profit.  If that were the case they wouldn't say at factsaboutquixtar.com "business leaders can make more money from BSMs than from Quixtar"

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Training and motivating an IBO or salesmen in other industries, does not consitute partnership by any stretch of the imagination.  Teammate has no bearing on financial obligations.  You are simply part of a group of people.

As for rabid insistence of these terms, in your opinion, also include the corp.

Tex said:
Monday, July 23, 2007 #

Josh,

1. I never said every IBO does every part of the business identical to every other IBO. To imply I did is foolish. However, how do you explain this part of your answer, "When new IBOs get started they get a ton of free "stuff" from me, but always with the expectation they will need to duplicate my efforts."?

2. I can hardly sit up straight, I am laughing so hard, over your $1,000/tape remark. I was going to say $100/tape, but thought I would go for the extreme and say $1,000. You must be VERY popular with your upline.

3. I didn't say it was a rule, I said it was what he stated in 1983, which has been ignored by the upline and the corp ever since. However, he was right, even though I could personally accept a higher level, as long as it was known by the IBO's and prospects.

Your comments on a business partner not having to be honest about their tool profits with their fellow business partners/teammates is amazing. Again, your upline must think you are the best thing since sliced bread, the way you promote and defend their dishonest system for them. Simply amazing.

The corp is more guilty of an act of omission (passive), in my opinion. The upline is guilty of acts of commission (active).

Josh said:
Wednesday, July 25, 2007 #

Tex,

1) It is my perogative as an Independent Business Owner to give stuff to new prospects (and customers for that matter).  I am at a point in my Independent business where I can AFFORD to do this.  "Stuff" isn't just tools, it is product samples, catalogs, and information as well.  When I help others become successful to point where they can afford to do the same thing...that is duplicatable, and budget conscience (yes probably spelled that wrong).

2) Why are you laughing?  Do you laugh at people that pay thousands to buy scalped tickets to playoff games? Or any concert tickets?  Those people pay that money and feel it is WORTH the cost.  If a cd or tape I purchased had information that turned out to make me millions, then it would be worth it.  (don't forget the buy back guarantee for 6 months).

3) That is what he said, it is NOT a rule.  Until he puts his words on paper you have nothing to stand on.

My "comments" about business partners never stated that they don't have to be "honest". That is you putting words in my mouth.

Also, I thought you only dealt in facts and truth. Your "opinion" about the corp is hardly a fact or truth as well as "the" upline.

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Tex said:
Sunday, July 29, 2007 #

Josh,

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1) Thanks for clarifying that, it sounded as if your group was expected to duplicate you, without regard as to whether they could afford it or not. It is "conscious", it is quite easy to look up words on dictionary.com, and you not only improve yourself, but come away with more credibility.

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2) Yes. The 6 month tool buyback rule is basically a tiger without teeth. Many IBO's stay in for longer than 6 months, and it is drummed into them that if they don't succeed, it is their fault, and for these reasons many of them don't ask for their money back.

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3) I happen to share his opinion about being honest, and am using this and other blogs to educate other IBO's and prospects regarding the lack of honesty he spoke of nearly a quarter of a century ago. It appears the UK and Russia have put it on paper, and I believe the rest of the world will follow suit, which is a good thing.

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Leaving out material facts with a business partner/teammate is being dishonest.

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I take facts and truth and add my opinion to interpret the significance of the facts and truth. It's called analysis. If you want to take the same facts and truth and have a different opinion, you are welcome to defend that analysis, and let the other readers decide who makes more sense.

Josh said:
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 #

Tex,

Like I said before, I do not sweat the small stuff.  Spelling, therefore qualifies as small stuff.

If you catch the drift what I say (typically late at night and usually quite tired) then that is all the creditability I need.

For someone who deals in facts and truth, you sure do have a big gap in your evidence.  Seems like just plan opinions.

The rest of the last comment was repetitive. So I will not comment on it.

B Nichols said:
Thursday, August 09, 2007 #

Tex,

You and Josh spent all this time on a whole lot about nothing.  Tex, I think you are a bit of a rabble rouser, huh guy. There is a very simple solution to this tool issue.  We can't expect the corp to determine the cost of providing tools to any organization and the profit made on these "tools".  It is totally YOUR decision guys, concerning the fairness in pricing.  If you feel the price is too high for what you are getting...don't buy. Nobody in this business can FORCE you to buy ANYTHING.  If you feel you are being coerced to buy tools, at any price, by ANYONE, RUN AWAY! That's your responsibility to yourself and your downline! We have to police our own business.  I don't want the Corporation telling me what profit margin I can have on a tube of toothpaste, and Atmosphere, or a tape.  It is simply not their job.  They are my vendor and that's all they are and I can count on one hand the problems I have had in 30 years and I have never had an unresolved problem with Amway or Quixtar to MY satisfaction.  Cause and effect gentlemen.  WE cause our own effects!  Like Charlie Marsh used to tell us. Love the people--don't trust them-but love em!  You guys chill and make some money and have some fun. I could tell you about MY last venture with a traditional business(professional photolab)when the dust settled 20 people lost their jobs and I lost 250,000. for my efforts, and that's what you get.  Sure makes this business look like manna from heaven!  And I have never had to invest 2.5 million to loose 250,000.  Count your blessings, I do every day because I know that I can get it all back right here, right now!!!

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