ibofightback said:
Saturday, August 11, 2007 #

Kia,

May I humbly suggest that some of you Quixtar blog folk take whoever is responsible for the Alticor and Amway Media blogs for a chat and a cup of coffee.

The Alticor Media blog posting about TEAM was not inclusive or helpful for those members of TEAM that really don't know who to support. Indeed, I'd say it was insulting. This is not the first time those blogs have been what I consider directly offensive to IBOs.

Not professional and not conducive to positive change.

By contrast - and it is a contrast - the bloggers on the Opportunity Zone, including yourself, Jim Payne, and Beth Dornan, have always conducted yourself professionally and in a respectful manner, even with those who have not returned the courtesy.

That's more the kind of spirit of integrity I've learned in this business.

Glam said:
Saturday, August 11, 2007 #

As have I IBOFB. I second this post Kia.

Continue on your path Kia, my family and I are with you.

Tex said:
Sunday, August 12, 2007 #

ibofb/Glam,

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There is a time and place to be nice and a time and place to be blunt. Too often we lose the message while attempting to be politically correct with our language. "Go TEAM, Go" was right on target, keep up the good work Alticor/Amway Media blogs.

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Kia,

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Regarding "The Human Toll", tell your employees they are in the middle of correcting problems that have existed for decades. Literally millions of former distributors/IBO's have been financially damaged by the various tool systems, and they have a great and noble mission. If this positive vision doesn't appeal to the Quixtar employees, consider this: NOW is the time to perform, or they will soon be occupied by looking for a new job, which I understand is not an easy thing to do in Michigan. Whether they look at the positive or negative side, or both, there is much to do, but it WILL be worthwhile. Hang in there. The IBO's depend on you, and you depend on the IBO's.

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I am one example of an IBO who has stayed in the business despite being disappointed in both the upline with their excessive tool income and A/Q for being aware of this massive issue and not doing anything meaningful about it for over 24 years.

Gary Ingram said:
Sunday, August 12, 2007 #

Unfortunately, from the perspective of a long-time IBO, the business is imploding and the true transformation will be in the layoffs at the "mother-ship". With the exodus of thousands of IBOs from the ranks - don't you think it will impact the employment picture for those like you in Ada? Sounds like Rich & Jay's vision has been trampled on - and we will be left with a hollow shell of what the business used to be.

ibofightback said:
Sunday, August 12, 2007 #

Tex,

There are thousands of IBOs who have no idea there was any problem with the way they were operating. They're in shock. They're deciding whether to follow their leaders until now, or to stay with the corporation.

The Alticor blogger told them, in no uncertain terms, to go. Thousands of effectively "innocent" folk - the real "human toll" of this episode.

Now, Robin has tried to damage control by pointing out the blogger wasn't referring to the rank and file IBOs, but to the leaders of TEAM - this, again, just shows a shocking ignorance on the part of the corporation, or at least *that* part of the corporation, of how their business actually works.

When they said "just go, TEAM" they were addressing the thousands of IBOs who are a part of TEAM.

They deserve better.

Gary Ingram said:
Sunday, August 12, 2007 #

"It is unfortunate and it isn't something we wish to exacerbate here at Quixtar. Right now our focus is on improving all aspects of our business to deliver on the promise we make to a new IBO when they register: that they can achieve their goals with a Quixtar business of their own."

So why don't you tell us IBOs what you are doing to address the uncompetitive pricing of the products so the business plan works and IBOs CAN make a profit???  We hear about this "transformation" and how great it will be - well - start spilling. You had better start communicatiing otherwise you will have another debacle on your hands. Another thing - the individual IBO is at the mercy of decisions made by their LOS. Doesn't that take the independence out of the Independent Business Owner? You guys are self-destructing a great business, and continue the secrecy and deception

Wayne said:
Sunday, August 12, 2007 #

Our supply of tools from Quixtar is sorely lacking in comparison to other organizations. If it had not been for the cd's,DVD's and books recomended by Team Leadership I know my spouse & I would have parted ways or quit the Biz about 2 yeaars ago. When we got on board with Team things made sense and now we are confused by a corporation that seems to be greedy. The prices for the products should be lowered so the IBO's at the bottom have a better chance to generate income. That seems to us a WIN WIN. Quixtar needs to improve how we get started, and lower prices would be a pleasent start.

QuixtarTools said:
Monday, August 13, 2007 #

Wayne,

You seem to ignore the fact that Team is just as greedy if not worse. Only recently Team luanched a compensation plan for the tools, which by the way, was considered elligal by Quixtar when TIF with Andy Andrews and Bo Short tried to pull that off.  

Tex said:
Monday, August 13, 2007 #

ibofb,

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If these IBO's misinterpret the message that Woodward and the other leaders are gone and they should go too, they aren't intelligent enough to stay in the business. The corporation was clearly talking about the "leaders" and not the entire organization. If they wanted the entire organization to leave, they would have signed the waiver for the 6 month/2 year inactive period. Your lack of logic astounds me.

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That message was clearly directed at these so called leaders, who have been scamming their IBO's for tool profit.

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Now that the heat is on regarding the tool scam, they decide to accuse Amway of inflated prices, even though they made MUCH more on tools than Amway.

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What a joke of a lawsuit, which will backfire not only on the leaders formerly known as TEAM, but the rest of the tool companies, especially N21.

ibofightback said:
Monday, August 13, 2007 #

Just Go, Tex, Go :-)

TeamIBO said:
Monday, August 13, 2007 #

What IBOs not affiliated w/ Team might not know in regards to the tool discussion is that the Team created a fair profit sharing plan for their training system that any of us could qualify for.  The plan is open, transparent, published and was even explained at a recent conference.  It's not a hidden, dirty secret that money is made from CDs and books.  After all, don't all companies that produce a product (CDs being an example) look to turn a profit in a free enterprise system?  

Furthermore, the profit sharing plan is fair.  Orrin and Chris operate on the same pay scale as all of the rest of us, rather than taking special cuts or special privileges for themselves as the founders of the Team's training system.   This, if you take the time to research it, is strikingly different than any of the other tool companies.  Before my upline joined the Team's system, we dealt with a tool company that based tool bonuses on politics and favoritism.  There was no honesty or openness about that money was even made on tools because there was no fair system to explain.  I didn't even find out who was making the money till after we moved to the Team's system.  

Please look at the facts carefully and take this information into account before you label the Team's leaders as greedy.

rdknyvr said:
Monday, August 13, 2007 #

Gary, Wayne, any other TEAM IBOs wondering what the supposed changes at Quixtar are... Q has been announcing them over the past few months on these blogs, and all IBOs were notified of these blogs through "What's New" on the opening home page at Q, and through WYW/Achieve.

For example, new product and process and selling skills training via Quixtar U starting Sept. 4 or thereabouts... the hiring of a new VP Training, formerly with Bell South etc., hiring a new Managing Director for Quixtar with a stellar track record in retail consumer sales (SC Johnson, several other companies)... a raft of new market retail priced products coming in two batches... Sept. and November... and much more.

Is it too much to withhold final judgement for a few more weeks to see what's been in the pipeline for well over a YEAR... in the end, it's your decision, but make it a business decision, not just a personal decision... as I am (have).

With appreciation for listening,

Jason S said:
Monday, August 13, 2007 #

The choice of photos for this blog does not give this site much credibility. Food for thought...

Beryl Nichols said:
Tuesday, August 14, 2007 #

When I joined this WONDERFUL business over 30 years ago I was provided the Rules of Conduct and I followed them.  Others, I know, set about to change the way THEY operate.  

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The DeVos and Van Andel families, trust me, have the resources, integrity, honesty and credibility to protect themselves and the business that Rich and Jay started as well as the Amway & Quixtar IBOs that choose to abide by the rules.  It is very clear that it is not Rich DeVos's responsibility to change diapers out here, people.  If you don't know what the rules are, shame on you.

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Finally, who ever said when you get in the Amway or Quixtar business you will be dealing in CHEAP merchandise?  I can honestly say I have NEVER returned a product to the Corp because of price.  The satisfaction guarantee covers that to a tee.  It is really unusual to have a company that stands behind a satisfaction guarantee and pay to get it back if you're not satisfied.  How can anyone stand tall selling cheap junk?  How does the manufacturing facility stay alive selling cheap products.  Attitude folks, Attitude.

ken shinn said:
Tuesday, August 14, 2007 #

Makes sense Beryl however I too was in for many years thru Britt-and in the 80's and 90's he and Puryear and Duncan and WW Dreambuilders were one and the same because Britt had the best system.  Educating people on product was easier BW (before Walmart).  I liked the fact that I could buy Famous Amos and Kellogs and when I was 4000 I got about 7% of the BV for those products,but I could not sell them at retail nor could I sell the double X vitamin anymore due to price. When I tell a mom out here in the "field" (where the people that quixtar hires to teach us how to sell have not been) that she can get a quality product where the value is better than Walmart and she can get it shipped to her door, she don't care because although you are going to blog me and say we do not try to compete with Walmart unfortunately all IBO's showing the plan do compete with Walmart.

Why has Quixtar not gromwn in US so well since its inception? It is not because of affilliation with Amway word.  Why has it not taken off like Amway when Rich and Jay were #5 wealthiest in world and Rich bought the Orlando Magic?

The Team and Legacy leaders have their positive quotes on everybody elses websites-they are quoted on clearly two thirds of all the iboai leaders individual sites!And the QSTAR lawyers gave them the boot-and basically spat in the eyes of most of the leader group that heads up the IBOs in the field.

Mark Atzenhoffer said:
Thursday, August 16, 2007 #

As a long time IBO in Billy Florence's organization I hope that the events of the last week or so bring more than IBO/Retail pricing to light.  

I have always had problems with the "system" as it was presented.  I have attended Dexter Yaeger events, Billy Florence events and TEAM events.  For a short period of time we discussed products and personal growth.  Then it became selling tickets to the next function and tapes/cd's.  I will not take back one book I have ever read, but driving from Louisiana to, Atlanta, Charlotte, St. Louis, Michigan(you get the point) because "that's where the winners will be" to be told to visit the tool table and get your tickets to the next function is where this got lost.  It's alot easier to buy products if you don't have to shell out $100 plus a month on "tools" and meeting tickets.

We have customers for some products, mostly SA8, that have been loyal for years.  It is harder to "sell" quality, especially in this day of cheap.  Think of it, we sell everything we do every day.  

The human toll of this is that people were lead away from the core products that have made this business successful for decades.  You can make alot of money selling, yes selling, SA8, LOC and dish drops.  

I believe that there are people out there that want to be IBO's in Quixtar or Amway or whatever they call it because they want to be in business for themselves.  They will find a way to make this work.  I also believe that the less we tell a person that they are a loser for not driving 18 hours to be told to buy tools and tickets for the next 18 hour drive the better we will be at helping people become IBO's.

I truely don't know what organization I will be part of in the future.  I do know that my order was placed, shipped and I washed clothes with SA8.  Let's not loose sight of why we all chose this business.  We want to be in business for ourselves.

intmidated IBO said:
Thursday, August 16, 2007 #

That's just great Quixtar. Nice retaliation measures.

What's next?  Suspending IBOs deemed to be guilty by association? or line of sponsorship?  

Boy, wouldn't that be a great way to avoid paying year end bonuses.  

And what about the surviving LOS?  What are you going to do, give them to some 'loyal' IBOAI member? If that isn't 'pilfering' the LOS, what is?

And why aren't the issues being resolved or even discussed before the hatchet crew get sent in.

Have any of the courts even had a chance to make a determination in any of the many legal proceedings Quixtar has filed in the last 3 or 4 days?  Or has everything Quixtar has done been 'ex parte'- without any opportunity for response form the other side.

So much for Quixtar's famed dispute resolution procedures. I guess when money is at stake, that all goes out the window.

This really is disconcerting for every IBO.

Editor's Note: Let's be clear, here. 15 IBOs filed a class action lawsuit against Quixtar.  Anything Quixtar has done since has been in response to that to protect the business for the many thousands of IBOs who wish to build ethical businesses within Quixtar's rules. -- RL

concerned IBO said:
Thursday, August 16, 2007 #

FYI on Team's tool profit sharing plan...

Every Quixtar attorney reviewed, examined, analyzed, and concluded taht not only was the Team's profit-sharing plane legal, but that it's safegaurds went well beyond what the law required. It was a benchmark for the industry.  Even some of the IBOAI members that have now turned on these people were part of that meeting.

Although there may or may not be issues in other LOS, BSM is not the issue in this mess gang.  If anything, it's the most solid, fair system having been reviewed by so many experts inside and outside the industry.

intiidated IBO said:
Thursday, August 16, 2007 #

The Moderator of the blog, RL states in a boilerplate response:

"Anything Quixtar has done since has been in response to that to protect the business for the many thousands of IBOs who wish to build ethical businesses within Quixtar's rules."

"Anything Quixtar has done..."

Does that include intimidating phone calls to IBOs with ultimatums to swear allegience to Quixtar when the majority of them have no idea what is going on?

Does that include threatening emails to IBOs to respond by 5pm today swearing allegience to Quixtar?

Does that include revoking their invitation to attend a Platinum Conference they more than earned and qualified for?

I'm sorry sir...  You're going to need something more than a boilerplate, blind loyalty response to the actions of a company betraying the very people it claims to protect. It is destroying whatever level of respect and faith it had.

How can anyone ever trust Quixtar or its management again?  Seriously.

Editor's Note: Communications to members of the Team organization to determine whether or not they intend to remain with Quixtar are intended to help the many IBOs who are calling to find out what they should do now that the Team training program has been terminated. We hope to figure out ASAP who we need to help with retraining based on their commitment to doing business within our rules. And New Platinum Conference invitees from Team have been informed their visit to GR for this is postponed, not revoked. -- RL

Beryl Nichols said:
Thursday, August 16, 2007 #

Hi Mark Atzenhoffer!

Such a pleasure to read comments from someone who got in the business for the right reasons, to use the product, sell the product, and sponsor people to do the same thing.  It is amazing to see what people say and do when they are terminated for breaking rules that everyone is required to follow.  Is it any wonder that in prison it is almost impossible to find anyone that is guilty? I have bought tapes and books and been to many seminars.  But I feel that if you are making more money selling tools than product, you are simply a PHONEY!  I can tell you right now, from Charlie and Elsie Marsh down to me, I have never had to associate with phonies! Period.  Product sales is what makes everyone successful.

Thanks for your words.  You are the FIRST IBO that has mentioned the product names L.O.C, SA-8 and Dish Drops which it seems the rest of these kids don't know anything about. They talk about how expensive the toilet paper is!

Keep the Faith!  And while we're at it lets PLACE AN ORDER!!!!

ken shinn said:
Thursday, August 16, 2007 #

I too like SA-8, LOC, Glister and many of the products that Amway has manufactured and I have marketed.  Too many people in the baby boom generation whose children we are trying to sponsor do not have a favorabloe opinion of the word Amway.  They just know it to be a brunt of Jay Leno jokes.  Depth building equals security and better teamwork--period.  If you are in another organiztion like I was associated with Britt but going to Winters meetings and having them take one of my good friends list and blitz it without her permission to build depth--you can see why Amway would have a bad name!!Let the Team go period and quietly.  You boasted about nobody ever making it --are you afraid that Team will? Woodward and Brady were widely respected in all of the IBO world as you can tell on most of all of the other team leaders' websites. In 2007 on CD's both men and  many on their team were highly praising Quixtar on their websites.

Tex said:
Friday, August 17, 2007 #

TeamIBO,

If TEAM's tool profit is so "open, transparent, published", etc., let's have the numbers.

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I asked for the numbers on another blog several months ago, and the person said he would obtain them, but then never posted them.

HARRY WILLIAMS IBO SINCE 1993. said:
Saturday, August 18, 2007 #

FOR YEARS ( SINCE 1993 ) I HAVE BEEN TURNED OFF BY THE ATTITUDE OF SOME AMWAY,THEN QUIXTAR, FOLKS FOR HARRASSING AND PRESSURING ME INTO ATTENDING FUNCTIONS AND BUYING TAPES AND VIDEOS AND BOOKS WHEN ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS TO USE AND SELL THE PRODUCTS AND MAKE SOME MONEY IN THE PROCESS.THEY COULD CALL IT TOOLS OR WHATEVER IT DEFINITELY WAS NOT THE AMWAY CORPORATION NOR ALTICOR'S REQUIREMENTS TO BE AN IBO! THE WEEKLY AND MONTHLY MEETINGS ONE CAN UNDERSTAND AND THE DOOR FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT TO PAY FOR THE HOTEL ETC BUT THE RAMPANT AND DOWNRIGHT DOGGING AND LYING AND PRESSURING OF FOLKS TO BUY TAPES AND ATTEND FUNCTIONS CAUSED THE MARKETING OF PRODUCTS TO TAKE LAST PLACE TO ALL THEIR GARBAGE AND THE TOUTING OF RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL IDEAS AT FUNCTIONS WAS A DEFINITE TURN OFF.IF THEY WISH TO MARKET MLM SKILLS THEN DO SO OUTSIDE OF QUIXTAR AND AMWAY STOP LINKING THE TWO AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE A CHOICE WITHOUT RAMMING THE MESS DOWN OUR THROATS AND THE INFLATED INCOMES ETC.

THE QUESTION NOW IS THIS:DOES QUIXTAR HAVE THE COURAGE OF THEIR CONVICTIONS WHICH SHALL ALLOW THEM TO DRAIN THE SWAMP AND KILL THE REST OF THE SNAKES ????

aggravated IBO said:
Saturday, August 18, 2007 #

Robin Lymes says "now that the Team training program has been terminated."

Oh, OK, I see now... well then, Quixtar is terminated.  Wait, how about Alticor- could't we just terminate them too?  While we're at it, the Detroit Lions are terminated.  Just 'cause we say?!

If we post it, blog it, or email it to the 1000s of unsuspecting IBOs then it must be real.  So let's terminate Iran.  Hey, how about Osama?  Will Jim Payne please terminate him to?

How do you terminate an entirely legal, separate entity that has no contract with Quixtar and which Quixtar has NO AUTHORITY over.

Come on Robin, check with Quixtar lawyers AND IBOAI lawyers- they say Quixtar's actual operation is ILLEGAL... as a PYRAMID... and you knew it!!!  THAT IS A CRIME!!

This was discussed in and outside of the so called confidential meetings. The problem is that you did nothing to fix it.  Why did 40% of the IBOAI resign? 40% Ask that, seriously!  The other 60% were told they would 'be taken care of.'  How?  They have just been left on a sinking IBOAI ship with Quixtar holding them at bay to launch them as the scapegoat when Quixtar loses the war they are in. With Team, it is a minor battle. Bigger enemies are drooling and licking their chops.  Quixtar has already violated so many state and federal laws by their conduct and communications to IBOs, the IBOAI and general public not to mentions the court filings commiting fraud upon the court.

This was an issue that could no longer be hid and the Company was announcing what... new product lines?  

Editor's Note: You were in the "so-called confidential meetings?" If not, how do you know what was discussed?  Just curious. I personally do not know what was discussed in those meetings. I might have erred in saying "Team training program has been terminated."  The Quixtar businesses of the founders of the Team training organization were terminated and the Team training organization is not longer authorized for use with Quixtar IBOs probably would have been a more accurate statement.  -- RL

Beryl Nichols said:
Saturday, August 18, 2007 #

Harry Williams!  Bless your heart!! You hit the nail on the head!  Most of these folks don't know that the product section of the Kit is NOT even a requirement to register as a Quixtar distributor.  I feel that you should experience the core products before you try to sell them.  But most organizations won't have you, if you don't buy a kit PLUS cookware, etc.  They try to pump volume.  And to not make it clear that to make money you have to have customers to sell to.  Because, you know, we are in the Direct Selling business.  If they have to push tapes or seminars down your throat it isn't worth having in the first place.  Rich said it years ago.  Buy ONE product and try selling it.  Then buy another.

That is one of the beauties of Quixtar.  You don't have to carry ANY inventory.  Order it on-line with the customer's credit card.

Sell your distributors on the products and help them make money and then maybe they will sell the product to their customers.  Jay VanAndel always pulled his order book out and showed his distributor, THIS is what I did yesterday. That is what we do today.  Our Diamonds, Double and Triple Diamonds and even Crown Ambassador STILL service customers and sell the dadgum product and use it themselves.  Isn't that easy?

Harry, trust me Quixtar has the courage.  And they will protect the business. The 15 terminated distributorships are going to have to find someone else to provide "cheap" products, to have a vehicle to move their success system tapes through and "stack" their lines to the moon. That will take millions of $ away from the cash flow.  But, it's not about just the money.  It is about honesty, integrity and credibility and hard work.

Keep the Faith

Beryl Nichols said:
Sunday, August 19, 2007 #

Ken, your right in one sense.  Amway only had a bad name because of the abuses of the distributors like the one you mentioned stealing another IBO's list and going through them without permission.  That is lack of credibility and honesty.  But lets be honest....what did that have to do with Amway Corp. They have never endorsed activity like that have they?  Depth does add security if IBO's are sponsored in depth.  Adding people you sponsor in depth in a line without either IBO's permission is not only non-productive and unprofitable it is against the rules. Amway corporation in the business world had and still has to this day an excellent reputation for a very good reason, integrity, honesty, credibility and they pay their bills.  Most companies in the U.S. would love to have Amway Corporations' reputation. TEAM wants to change the way Quixtar does business by stacking IBO's and demanding prices be lowered to compete with WalMart for crying out loud. Mass marketing is NOT direct selling. I believe TEAM should do business their way, elsewhere. And don't do it with the Quixtar infrastructure.  Do their own thing and support theirself with their money.  This will be interesting and very ego driven.

aggravatedIBO said:
Sunday, August 19, 2007 #

What training organizations are 'authorized'?

How does an organization get 'authorized'?

What is the 'authorization' process?

Who does the 'authorizing'?

Where are the application forms on the Quixtar site?

T Cotta said:
Monday, August 20, 2007 #

The TEAMs training system is no longer authorized but it was prior to this situation?   Again, this does not make sense.  Robin, you said that 3 orgs were "accredited" and more were working toward it.  So TEAM was accredited?  And, there are still  some orgs not accredited?  What will happen to those orgs?

Editor's Note:  All IBO training organizations must be authorized in order to sell their Business Support Materials to IBOs. A few have gone through the accreditation process which lets people know that they have submitted to a higher degree of review regarding ALL their materials and their compensation programs related to BSMs.  -- RL

Tex said:
Monday, August 20, 2007 #

The higher degree of review ensures overt political and religious ideas are not present. Accreditation is optional, and apparently some additional "teeth" are being put into the program by allowing only accredited tool systems to participate in the QBI bonuses. Is this correct, Robin?

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Notably, the compensation programs are NOT required to be made visible to the average IBO, ONLY to those who profit from the tools, normally Platinums and above.

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Also, I don't think Platinums are required to be able to view Emerald contracts, Emeralds to view Diamond contracts, etc.

cyrus said:
Thursday, August 30, 2007 #

hi i am from iran.is there anyone who works with quxtar(office or ibo)&can speak persian?if there is please send me their phone numbers & email add.i am very interested in work with quixtar in iran but i cant speak english very well.thank you so much

Editor's Note:  Thank you Cyrus for your interest. Quixtar operates in the U.S., Canada, Puerto Rico and some island nations in the Caribbean. Amway operates internationally, but does not currently support Independent Business Owners in Iran.  Sorry! 

*** and Solveig Bertrand said:
Tuesday, September 25, 2007 #

My wife and I have been in the business for more than 20 years.

We reached the Emerald level and have received tool bonuses.

We have seen all levels  of pins leave the business because of Diamond level infighting over control of the tool system and it's profits.

Nothing wrong with profits.Especially when they come from a benefit producing product or activity.

There is an answer to this ongoing loss of so many highly productive people.And to the slowdown of the business in recent years.

I'll get back to you tomorrow, I've run out of time for tonight.

*** and Solveig Bertrand

Richard and Solveig Bertrand said:
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 #

If we look at the number of highly sucessfull leaders that have quit or been asked to leave Quixtar and Amway over the years and thier groups that sometimes followed the leader----If we can try to calculate the effect this has had on  1. our Public image due to lawsuits as well as disillusioned people. and 2. The sheer volume in  lost business and 3. The frequent setting up of a competitive MLM which frequently winds up bad mouthing our business. Then---perhaps we can ask "WHAT IS REALLY THE PROBLEM AND HOW DO WE SOLVE IT?"

At the Diamond level and up there has always been the infighting between who controls thier system of CD's, books, and events.And who gets what. With a long line of Diamonds getting longer in a successful organization, the tendency has always been for more greed coming into the picture.

This business is frustrating enough with having to deal with an uninformed public, but now you have the key people spending an inordinate amount of thier valuable time either defending thier slice of the tool, seminar and convention money or defending thier group from encroachment from other group's systems.

What if---what if the the tools and events could be obtained by all IBO's, all around the world-- at cost?

Would the leaders want this? No, not if they thought it would take big money out of thier pockets. But---what if they became convinced to look down the road 2 to 5 YEARS at it putting more in thier pockets than ever before. Let's suppose that 2-3 times as many people could now afford to go to the conventions because it cost say,$30 instead of $100, would the business grow at a faster pace? You can bet on it. Tools and functions work, but they are overpriced. The Corporation---to my way of thinking---needs to address--right now, before it's too late the option of helpint the business to grow againby TAKING AWAY THE PROFITABILITY OF TOOLS AND EVENTS.

Would the leaders stand for this? No---unless the Corp. BOUGHT these systems from them, with a, let's say 2-5 year payback and an at cost administrative fee for continuing to organize and produce all tools and events, AT COST. The big(and only) profits would now come completely from the Sales and Marketing Plan.

The business would take off like a slow rising rocket, that in little time is rising very,very fast.

Do you see this my friends in Ada?

Do you see this some of my very good Diamond and up friends? You know who you are. Can you help the Corporation to explain this to those leaders that might grasp the vision of a Quixtar/Amway that is no longer burdened by this senseless purging of our finest leaders who are becoming our biggest enemies?

We need to tell them that "You'll get it all back in spades in just a few years and there's no more fighting, we are at last ALL ONE"  

I believe this will be a most successful joint effort between the true leaders of our businesses and the Corporation.

Richard and Solveig Bertrand said:
Thursday, September 27, 2007 #

Is there any way you could copy our last comment(Wednesday Sept. 26) over to the TEAM and other applicable sections of "The real Quixtar blog"?

It might help if as many good hearted people as possible read it.

Typing it out again is not very practical for me.

Thanks

Editor's Note:  Sorry, cannot do this for you. Your comments should remain on topic and address issues and concerns you see on those particular strings. Thanks!  -- RL

NJ Paust said:
Thursday, July 17, 2008 #

I am not an IBO--I was scared off from Amway years ago by bogey men..*s*...and followed the progress when Quixtar emerged..and am now watching to see the re-branding of Amway in North America.

I keep reading about how the prices are so high for product and yet I see in Achieve loads of successful IBOs building International business in Asia! India, China, Japan, Thailand,  etc. The Hispanic market emerging in the USA. Surely these countries on whole do not have more wealthy people than the USA? Please explain this to me--how are all of these fabulous people from various ethnic groups/countries making a big success? I am seriously wanting to join Amway (never was Quixtar to me)...*s*....but am thinking I'd better choose a Korean or Indian sponsor or likewise..and I mean this respectfully. So that I can learn the real meaning of opportunity, capitalism, and how to build and run a BUSINESS from people who know what it means to have freedom, time, and money. And they love the company that gave them the opportunity!

Isn't it fascinating how people originally from other countries come to the USA, embrace the dream, and make it a success?

GO AMWAY! Even Microsoft had anti-trust suits and so forth. I would like to see more Americans embrace our way of life with the love that I see so many others from around the world do.

Now about the uninformed public, Tim Sales wrote a neat little history of Direct Selling that IBOs/Leaders can use and/or adapt and Amway is in it! What a great tool to inform!

(Anyone who wants to discuss Amway with me can message me at my twitter account.)

God Bless you all!

Thank you for letting me share, (and btw, no more bogey men)...