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Prague Blog III
Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Another day comes to an end in Prague and this one was quite rewarding actually. I will be the first to admit that I was very uncertain about unleashing on my communications peers from around the world a panel of IBO bloggers who have varied histories of critique. The PR and External Affairs had asked for a session so they could learn more about blogging, and I was afraid this might be more of a discussion about what these IBOs are critical of with the business and the company.

While each of the panelists did share a little about what changes they'd love to see in our business and their agendas to help make that happen, they also demonstrated to the group that they do care about this business and seek in their own ways to make it better. It should come as no surprise that Tex has issues with the tools businesses and the undue focus placed on this income stream by some. He refrained from dwelling on that issue during our session, however, to ensure that the communications professionals learned about blogging as an effective way to discuss our business issues.

IBO Fightback talked most knowledgably about the reputational issues we've suffered online and the ways he has tried to help ensure the myths are laid to rest and the truth comes out. That's not always a favorable truth, by the way, and he has his own issues with how we've communicated online. He pointed out our poor record in setting straight the record about the Quixtar and Amway businesses at Wikis and his efforts in those areas as well.

Dave Robison talked about his blogging as a Quixtar IBO for many years now, and his desire for a business based on authenticity. He brought his Alabama sensibilities to the table and talked about the history of blogging about Quixtar.

Big Apple talked about his independent business and focus on retailing. He became involved in the blog conversations about our business due to issues that surfaced last summer, and has kept coming back to weigh in on topics that he feels are important to the advancement of this business. Now he's even considering a blog of his own.

Bridgett, who also doesn't have a blog of her own, despite the encouragement of her panel mates, talked about what draws her into the conversations at the Opportunity Zone and the Alticor blogs. She was looking for info about the "new Amway" last summer and was brought to Beth Dornan's Inside Quixtar blog. She kept coming back after she left a long list of critical comments and Beth responded to her that she needed to keep coming back so that her voice was heard.

I also served on the panel to talk a little about the REAL Quixtar Blog and the Opportunity Zone and the opportunity blogs represent for Amway communications staff to engage key audiences in important and necessary dialogs about this business. But the focus truly was on what we could learn from the IBO bloggers who took time away from families and jobs to join us and share their experiences and motivations. And I think many in attendance were surprised.

They were surprised by how likeable these bloggers were. They were surprised that they weren't pasty white nerds with bulging eyes who spend too much time in their basements. They were surprised that each of these individuals truly appeared to love this business and what it could be, if whatever issues they perceive we have could just be addressed.

Meanwhile, I truly enjoyed getting to know these individuals better. Dino of Alticor Corporate Communications, who served as the panel moderator, toured some of the ancient sections of Prague with Tex this afternoon while I took the other panelists back to the castle. It was just as lovely the second time around, and the company of these different individuals only added to the enjoyment.

Before coming to my room minutes ago, I said my farewells to these bloggers since most are headed home tomorrow and it is unlikely I will see them again before they leave. The funny thing is that I had already said farewell to them more than an hour earlier, but when I came back past them again much later they were still standing there talking with each other, just as they had the night before when they went out together for a five-hour dinner. I think they were surprised to discover just how much they had in common even though they don't always agree in the comment sections of our blogs.

And most surprising of all might be the responses provided to the final question of our panel. To Dino's question of whether or not they believed the company is already being transformed, each replied with a strong "yes." Dino said I couldn't answer that question. Well, I will anyway. I too think we are going through a transformation. And I think today's blog session and the common ground found between such a disparate group is a very tangible proof of that. Thank you Big Apple, Bridgett, Dave, IBO Fightback and Tex. And safe travels home!



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Comments

rdknyvr said:
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 #

Robin, incredible stuff!!! Wonderful!!! It's great that your colleagues can come to understand that there is a whole segment of bloggers who are their confederates, not opponents. And they can be invaluable in speaking the truth and cutting through the corporate constraints or even blinders that staff and management sometimes have. Looking forward to your post on tomorrow's events... this is more than just a bloggers/Internet conference, right? :)

With appreciation,

Utah said:
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 #

Now if Alticor's Corporate Communications had the positive reputation that Opportunity Zone did, we would all be better off.

Tex said:
Friday, March 21, 2008 #

Robin,

The sign! You didn't mention the sign! Have no fears, it will soon appear on "my" blog, thanks to my "blog daddy", Dave.

Utah,

The OZ has a "positive reputation" because they don't allow much real debate. Sometimes you get a little dirty when you're cleaning up a mess, and the bigger the mess, the more you may have to get dirty.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Umm ... we don't allow much debate? Tex, we allow as much debate as you want. As long as it's on topic and complies with our guidelines (i.e., attack ideas, not people), you're good to go. Yes, you had a cute sign in front of your spot indicating you're anti-tools. Psssst ... they knew that already ...   :-)    RL

Lynn Wendyger said:
Saturday, March 22, 2008 #

I love your posts from Prague. How awesome that some of the OZ bloggers could attend. I appreciate the dialog with them. We can learn so much.

Bridgett said:
Monday, March 24, 2008 #

Robin,

Tex isn't anti tools he's anti tool SCAM. :)

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Which I learned that what he considers a scam to far more reaching that I first believed.

As an example, my LOA offers incentive trips to those, below the Diamond level, whose Quixtar businesses have grown by X%. His viewpoint is that unless you explicitly tell the IBOs that every time they buy a CD or attend a function, the "profit" is going to pay for those trips (as well as the 60 employees of the LOA, the offices, the electricity, etc.) then you are scamming them.

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So, I guess Q/A needs to put a disclaimer for all customers and IBOs. Something like: ‘When you purchase this product, the “profit” will go towards incentive trips such as Achievers and Peter Island. The “profit” will go to pay for the offices and warehouses around the world. The “profit” will go to pay Robin Luymes’ salary and other thousands of Alticor/Amway/Quixtar employees.’

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Tex makes good points and they are valid. However, the extreme nature of his position and the disrespectful way in which he communicates it, doesn’t do much for his “cause”. This is sad, because, like I said, there is truth to what he is saying. But when you alienate the very people who can help you, it’s just plain bizarre and you have to wonder why he self-sabotaging himself.

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Tex, I do not know why every time I am nice to you, you push me away with your horrible, mean, nasty comments. You were, for the most part, extremely pleasant to me in person, and then online (on another blog) you treat me like I’m some kind of idiot who doesn’t “get it”.

You’re right Tex. I’m wrong. I’m just too happy, too joyful, too hopeful, too cheerful. I need to put on a serious, angry, self-righteous persona to get anything worth accomplishing, accomplished.

Excuse me while I go yell at my children and tell them what worthless, stupid, untalented human beings they are.

The Big Apple said:
Saturday, March 29, 2008 #

Ooo, Bridgett.  Say what you really think next time.  : )

IBO Forever said:
Sunday, March 30, 2008 #

Bridgett,

I always enjoy your comments and your point of view.  I also have great respect for you because you have actually built a business.

Many of the more critical people on the blogs admit that they have not built this business.  They say that it is so corrupt that they can't build it until it is cleaned up and that is their purpose for blogging; to try and clean it up.

Years ago Rich DeVos told the story of W.R. Grace wanting to buy Amway and if Rich & Jay didn't sell it to them they would go into this industry and put Amway out of business.  Rich called down to the warehouse and had a sales kit brought up.  He gave the kit to Mr. Grace and said if your going to compete with us you might as well have a kit, so you know how we do it.

W.R. Grace did launch a competitive company that fell on it's nose in a short time.  Years later Rich saw him at a fund raiser and asked him how his company was doing.  Mr. Grace responded that it hadn't survived.  Rich asked how that was possible since he had given him a kit?  Mr. Grace gruffly stated that Rich must have left something out of the kit.

Don't get me wrong, there is no such thing as a perfect line of sponsorship and many of them have made horrific mistakes in the past.  That being said, there are a good number of organizations that are trying to do it correctly.  Many of the leaders who have been attacked as kingpins, etc. have built large business' and helped others in a variety of ways.  Accreditation is under way and that will be a tremendous positive for this business.

At the same time, Quixtar/Amway Global is also far from perfect and they have made horrific mistakes also.  Many of the things this business have gone through in the last decade can be put at Quixtar's feet also.

That being said, I believe there is a renewed effort corporately and in the various lines of sponsorship to work together and get it as right as you can possibly get it.  I'm excited about transformation, balanced business initiatives, new products and yes even the name change!

I would also like to see some of the self appointed critics, who actually espouse some good ideas, actually go out and do what you are doing Bridgett.  They can take their kit and go out and build a group.  The thing that never makes sense to me is if they know how it is supposed to be done, why don't they do it?  If you don't like what you see, go out and show everyone how it should and can be done.  This is the best way to affect positive change.

Ben said:
Monday, March 31, 2008 #

IBO Forever,

Thanks for the post! Good stuff that's fair and balanced.

I think your last point is analogous to being a movie critic. I have never heard of a movie critic going out and making a movie. If they know how to make a good movie, why don't they go out and do it?

Bridgett said:
Tuesday, April 01, 2008 #

The Big Apple,

Thanks for making me laugh really, really hard.

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IBO Forever,

I agree with everything you said.

Thank you for the Rich story.

Thank you for taking the time and effort to write.

Thank you for understanding me.

Bridgett said:
Tuesday, April 01, 2008 #

Ben,

Roger Ebert co-wrote "Valley of the Dolls", and it was not exactly Oscar material.

:)

Ben said:
Wednesday, April 02, 2008 #

Bridgett,

Thanks again for your comments, I definitely enjoy your point of view!

As I said in an earlier post and as you stated above, Tex has some valid points that definitely needs to be addressed. However, his blanket statements of "tool scam" makes it sound like anyone who's ever bought a tool has been ripped off. Which is simply not true.

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